Psyche interviews Emma Leviathan, a tarot reader who claims to be Satan's ex-wife, discussing her journey from Tik Tok to YouTube and her experiences with content moderation.
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The episode begins with Psyche introducing Emma Leviathan, a tarot reader who claims to be Satan's ex-wife ▶ 2:23. Emma discusses her experience on Tik Tok, where she received three strikes and was eventually banned from the platform ▶ 3:58. She then moved to YouTube, where she started doing tarot card readings and cooking streams ▶ 9:00. Emma talks about how she built her community on YouTube, with the help of moderators like AC, Blade, and Sith ▶ 11:59. She also discusses the importance of moderation on her channel, and how it has helped her grow her audience ▶ 13:11. Throughout the conversation, Psyche and Emma chat about their shared experiences as content creators, and Emma shares her thoughts on the differences between Tik Tok and YouTube ▶ 6:45.
The episode appears to explore the theme of community building and the importance of moderation in online spaces. Emma's experiences on Tik Tok and YouTube suggest that having a strong community and effective moderation can help creators grow their audience and build a loyal following. The conversation also touches on the idea of censorship and the challenges of navigating different platforms' rules and guidelines.
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hi everybody I'm starting just a few minutes early we have our interview with Emma Leviathan tonight I'm super excited how's everyone doing and we'll arrive in a few minutes I'm just GNA make sure all the settings are okay if everything looks good yeah we're having a fun night tonight it will be a fun night it will
be a fun interview I got some good questions to ask I got a great chat going on I'm super excited right and I'm very lucky person let me just get myself together a little bit pardon me for a second
okay everyone just have fun tonight what's up Jackson how are you you're in for retreat tonight we have Emma levetan on our way we have a couple more minutes left to go magic you want to come over and say hi before the chat starts here's Magic on Su Jackson you're you're gonna love Emma everyone's gonna love Emma everyone's gonna have a great time when
everyone to check out her link the link is on her Banner does everything look okay tonight are we are we doing good okay we're just going to be in for a fun night it's G to be you know I have a I have a fun uh what's up Jamies how are you I have a fun uh show I have a it's a
more casual show right it's a more more it's a hangout show but uh we're super excited I'm really thankful that Emma's coming everyone get ready we're having uh Emma's gonna be here in a few minutes there's magic come on Magic you want to come up magic wants to say hi magic is
here we're coming up to it I I think Emma has a good link not I'll I'll get the link to her again we're going to have a nice one-on-one interview I hope the camera looks okay I hope I look okay I know she'll Emma look Emma's Emma's always beautiful and so
you will love you will love Emma that's magic yep Trix is sitting over there and let's have a big warm welcome for our guest tonight the hostess with the mostess Satan's actual ex-wife succubus extraordinaire Emma
levithan hello hello you also forgot giraffe lives matter act activist and um you know what the waffles lives matter too or the waffles wa waffles rights are human rights right and you know it's
debatable whether or not human lives matter okay but what we do know is that giraff lives matter it's very important how are you tonight I'm great how are you doing tonight I love your hat I love look you got the wings on you got the everything's going technically
good I got the the the camera angles like I like them and uh you're beautiful thank you for so much for coming thank you for having me thank you welcome thank you yes your Channel's doing well it is I'm taking off I'm taking off but I think I just want to say you're like one of the
biggest Inspirations towards um to me and uh you know you really like I think you're also like one of the hardest working women on YouTube but you just like you're just taking your channel off tell can you tell us a little about bit about what happened on Tik Tok and what brought you to YouTube so I was on Tik Tok and I was
cooking and cleaning and looking pretty and being Pleasant and um you know one day I had this thing called a poo and it's like a gimbal that it makes the camera track you
around like yeah so I went to step off stream because I happen to really enjoy the devil's lettuce and um the Poo followed me and that's like a huge no no on Tik Tok and so that was my
my first strike I got a a 7day suspension for that um and then my second strike I got um I was dancing and singing and they shut down my live
stream and they told me that I was being too sexy and I'm not even I'm not even exaggerating that that was really the reasoning too sex that's crazy that's crazy because I know you not inappropriate it wasn't inappropriate I
was just doing like a very sultry song you know and I was like moving towards the camera and kind of doing that which was funny I wasn't like twerking or anything and they said I was too sexy yeah yeah and then the third strike
which it was a three strike sh out um I was talking about how I feel about like um buddies like having a buddy and they didn't like that and so yeah I was uh I was given the boot what is that
noise do you hear the noise on my camera end I'm sorry if you do is there is there it sounds like you're mining uh oh yeah I'm on a cheap camera let me just check my settings and I'll just um check my audio real quick just one second I'm apologized for this all right hey welcome everybody welcome
welcome good to see you do you like my hat it for tonight um we have blade in the chat we have AC is here we have uh Jamie's Cowboys we have pie you have um a lot of friends in my show a lot of friends of yeah Jamie so many so many so
many yeah we have Michael here um but yeah you know what I think about YouTube is like you can do all those things on YouTube and that's what really cool about YouTube is that I think YouTube is a perfect platform for people of more of a adult show or people of more of a you know it's a little bit more liberal with those rules and so I think that it's it's perfect for you and I remember when I met you you had you had like you had
just come to YouTube and you had about 3,000 subscribers already and tell us how how have you progressed since then in the few probably seven months eight months you've been on YouTube how your show has just taken off hasn't it um well so I only had when I got on so before
you met me when I switched to YouTube I did have about 200 followers 250 followers just um starting out the gate I had had my YouTube account for like I don't know like what 10 15 years or whatever because I started this account when
um I got on YouTube you know and so I had done some live streams you know kind of similar to what you do and um so I had a a bit of a following from that but then I just dumped the account and you know I I went to other places
because it just wasn't working um and that is so annoying I'm so sorry I don't know I'm gonna my thanks I'm used to having my own show
with no gnomes in the background mining he's probably put all his cats to work I know it I know it the little kitty hands mining gold for psych I just know
it anyway anyway uh where was I oh so when I came over to YouTube I had already come up with the concept of the demon stuck in purgatory learning to cook clean look pretty and be pleasant I had already come up with that concept I
used to cook on um Tik Tok and so I just said well what if I just go full force into the demon and do it and um so I took a week and I made some intro videos I posted those and then I started going live two
times a week for I want to say like five months and um when I went live at one point I started doing tarot card reading cuz I had been doing tarot card reading like probably a week or two before I got fired from Tik Tok right um I had
started it again and then I had been doing tarot card reading um I don't know if I can say it I I'm a Playboy model so I had been doing tarot card reading on there and then one day I decided to do it on YouTube and
um it it took off and it was so fun because when you're live streaming it's so much better to be doing something and if it's interactive with the crowd that's even better that's why tarot works so so well um the
cooking the the cooking was good but you know it was kind of hard to be standing hours every day it was actually uh taking its tolls so it was really nice to just sit down and do tarot card reading and so then um I just started building and building and
building and once I hit a thousand followers um it was going good I was like building up steam but it's when I hit that 4,000 watch hours that I just took off um you know at one point I've got a thousand followers you know that
took me like six months to get but then just from there it went from a th000 to 20 now it's 22.6 1,000 to 22.6 and in so quick so quick uh I think we hit 20,000 in November
um and or no yeah I think the beginning of November is when we hit 20,000 and so from July to November July January wait July how do I count months May June July August September October November about
four to five months I I I gained you know what the about 21,000 followers so it it's been quite a ride and yes psych got there at about 3,000 and was just a very very good
supporter um I'm not I'm not sure who came first whether it was AC or or psych but I know AC's also been there from from one of the very Beginnings um and then I'll give another shout out to my
um one mod uh who has been there um Sith who is who helped me put together my Discord and and help me build a community and I I have these um that that was probably like the biggest change is I will say the people you meet because although Tik Tok was great and I
met a lot of people through Tik Tok really felt like it was just me against the world whereas when with YouTube I I met my it guys who you know um basically kind of gave me an idea of what the audience wanted and and then I
I I met the mods that came into my life like like psych and and AC and and and and and blade even and um you know you guys just helped me to keep the the the crowd in alignment one thing I did learn from Tik
Tok was the more that I moderated the higher they catapulted me up um and with the show like mine I I'm not I don't have a political show although I make political jokes in in a weird way I'm not a political show and so you know I I see it as getting rid of hecklers booting the hecklers and it
felt like the more people I I booted the the the more I got promoted so that was the that was interesting but I couldn't have done it without everybody because I can't read cards and moderate at the same time and YouTube starts with no moderation you have to build your own
moderation list whereas Tik Tok they already have like all the things you can't say so it was definitely uh definitely good that I didn't grow too fast but nonetheless I still have grown really fast and so it's a little crazy
um I do want to ask you I want to say um if you don't mind if you can share your experience with Playboy because I think that's really cool you're a Playboy bunny um if you don't mind yeah um so
I I guess this will go back far um about 10 years ago I actually um got into the adult business um and it was way back in the day where the
cameras weren't as good and you know live streaming was not like it is now um but that's the that's actually actually where I got a lot of my live streaming experience um that was not with Playboy but that was with a different company um and I was with them for a while and but you're an
independent contractor so I went from that to um I got I became like an honored guest at the camg girl Mansion um which was like a content creator house back then when that wasn't a thing and um I actually got to party in Hugh Hefner's
Penthouse Hugh hufner was not there um I do believe he was still alive when I went there actually they had rented his Penthouse um and basically uh basically had us as honored guests and I remember before I started the adult business I had told my my now ex-husband I had said um you know I always wanted to be a
Playboy model and so anyway I got to the the penthouse and I figured that's as close as I would get cuz I'm old and brunette and and and tattooed you know and I I thought well that's good and then um when I was Rising on Tik Tok I did ink Girl
magazine um Covergirl competition and I got really far I earned over six grand for charity and so that was pretty cool um but you know I I had applied for Playboy I think it was the December of that
year I believe sometime in the summer they finally messaged me and they were like you have been approved and I was like oh my God I gotta approve for Playboy and um yeah so then I became a Playboy bunny but it's on their centerfold site um a few months
later which was really a a bummer they kind of opened it up to everyone so I mean but you have to get a certain amount of of you have to earn a certain amount to be considered a bunny and I I made that mount amount and then some so I am technically a Playboy bunny I really am a Playboy bunny
so but yeah um that's just how that went and uh I did that for a little bit but once YouTube started really kicking off I I really haven't done much with that fan site it's still there but I just yeah you have to earn bunny
points it's true AC you do actually um but anyway I I guess I could be farther along in my Playboy career but I kind of got started on YouTube and I just I don't know I just would rather do YouTube well I think YouTube has been a
really awesome platform for you I think you're just made for YouTube and people just love you your chat has like hundreds of people in it every night you know it's a while I was a moderator for a while and we can we can address the elephant in the room of why I'm not a moderator anymore and that that's a good story too and and it's and also it's all
happy on both sides but I think I think YouTube's perfect for you okay go ahead okay uh why why did I fire Psych um here put your put your mic on for this so we can have more of a conversation because I think that's more important listening I bet the clicking I
haven't heard the clicking in a minute hopefully it out okay um no there it goes again okay I'm gonna mute I'll mute and I'll talk it wasn't clicking the other times though and now it's clicking ah ah anyway
okay come back let me let me see again you hear it ah dang it it I'm a really cheap phone I'm not like I'm just a I'm like a I'm an amateur streamer so far you know I'm just getting started and I'm just on my cheap like track phone right now and iPad's not working so I
I'll just mute between talking okay I can do it okay okay so psych was a good mod most of the time most of the time actually um but when he was bad he was
bad and and it mostly had to do with you drinking and you know the first bit I said you know uh hey uh don't don't be mod if you're drinking but honestly we should have
left your second account to like no wrench or something but anyway you you said some jokes that I don't think they were to be mean or or anything else but it just got to the point where it was like one thing after another after
another and I said well we gota we got to part ways with this but I I don't want you to not watch my show or not be my friend um because it wasn't that I was like seething mad at you it just wasn't working out with you being my mod but in my defense I am psychic and now
you're doing so much better doing this so I mean you know I know and and once I was fired I was like you know I um I was modding and the day you fired me I was unmodded from another channel that had like 26,000 subscribers and everything for for like
no reason but you you had a good reason because I was making inappropriate jokes and then I'm also friends with some other streamers and I One streamer in particular um she just fired all her mail mods because because the mail mods can get out of hand sometimes they would talk about the waitress's ass and stuff like that and they're like I don't want this to represent my show so I
understand completely but I think that I've uh since then I've calmed down a little bit and I've chilled out and I like this is some to tell me to slow my role a little bit and uh and also you're representing the channel when you're a mod and things like that and so there's absolutely no hard feelings and the most
important thing that that time was I said are we still friends can we still be friends and you're like I of course we can never I never said we can be friends and so that's the most the Friendship is the most important thing the mod was basically I I I wanted to share your link and stuff but I got Rowdy in the chat sometimes and uh also I want to say there's a banner on the
screen it says visit all Emma levitin's links pay withyou soul.com and I want you all to to visit um her links and I want you to subscribe to her Channel if you haven't already but I'm sure you have because you know Emma's a very popular um YouTuber very very awesome I don't think I've had any more tarot
readings from anybody than than you in my life you know I think I think had like 20 readings in my life you know and at one point you were like you're like I'm getting bored doing your reading psyche you're like you're getting too many readings and so but I think you you are like such an and also I'll say about
your readings they are so detailed they are so you like really go in on your readings with people and they're really really really um reasonably priced as well okay so yeah so um talk about talk about um your readings and and the in your T style and how you got into tarot and stuff like that if you don't mind I will let me
comment babo says it's nice to see that Emma doesn't hold grudges I don't you know why because my um My Philosophy is that takes way too much way too much time out of out of my life and I only have so much time and I do work really hard and you know if I if I spent my
life worrying about other people then it it just would uh would be a waste of my time plus my grandma always said don't hold Hate in Your Heart and it just makes life so much easier to forgive and and move on so I I truly believe that sorry what was the question I know you said something but I just wanted to address that in the
chat I also want to say I also want to say I apologize for making those comments and I on hindsight it's it wasn't appropriate and it was not I thought I was going with a sense of humor at the time and and I just sometimes my sense of humor is not the right sense of humor it just doesn't hit right sometimes so I'm really sorry about that and just thank you for forgiving me thank you for being like
such a good hearted person and and still being my friend you know that's that's really but I want to hear about how you got into tarot and um and and how you started the tarot and and because the tarot is such a integral part of your show and it's like people just love your readings and you're booking readings all the time and everyone everyone seems to
love them so tell me about your tarot there we go so um when I was young I had um I had gotten a Tarot deck from my my friend my best friend's mom who was Wiccan and and
my my grandma was actually staying with us at the moment who is was very very devout Catholic um my dad was an atheist my mom was an ex Catholic so I didn't like I didn't have a strong inkling towards anything really as as
spiritually wise and I I still don't um but I wasn't allowed to have the tarot cards and so I used to have to hide them they were like it was like hiding Contraband terab tarot card Contraband you know and so I did them at school because you
know whatever you're trying to hide from your parents that's what happens right you take it to school
and I honestly um I just uh I did them once at a fair and I was charging a quarter I remember I was charging a quarter per reading and this teacher came up and got a reading from me and I'm in high school and this teacher took this so
seriously she was like you're on point for everything things that I couldn't even fathom like divorce my parents weren't divorced I knew nothing about divorce I I got in the cards like um what was it it was a an inheritance as well like I just like all this just
came out and she was freaked out I was freaked out and I put him down and I was like nope my grandma said this was bad and I think she might be right I put the tarot cards
down and then what uh God it's been like H 20 20 something years later here I am and um I started doing them again because I I had some something in life happened I had a very
um close to death experience um and I was looking for answers at that point and also I don't drink and so it's not like I could go to a bar and hang out like I could and I've done it before but it's really boring
for me to go to the bar and hang out you know because there it's just it's not the the conversation you're looking for right during the day especially um so I started going to a cult stores and Wiccan stores because one had just opened up near me and um the guy there you could pay him 30 bucks and he would basically hang out with you for a half
hour to an hour right like doing your tarot cards and I I just needed I needed um somebody to talk to during the day and so I started doing that and then I thought I used to do my own tarot card readings why don't I just start doing my own tarot card readings for myself again you know and so I contacted my friend uh
Chris Madson let me give him a shout out he did this he um is this amazing photographer and who done this this deck The Witches tarot I called him and I said could you please uh let me buy your deck and he said well I'll just give you one which if you know anything about
tarot um being gifted a a deck is more powerful than just buying one I think you can buy your own decks it's not a problem but if you're gifted one just like my best friend's mother had gifted me a deck and then
then getting back into it but I didn't buy a deck I I actually was gifted another deck from Chris and I think that that actually um helps a lot um um no I I it's not I think anyone can buy their own
deck at any time let me not let me not um let me not confuse that but I think that there is something to being gifted a deck whether that's psychologically for the person like wow I was gifted a deck so you know someone
really cares about me and supports me mentally or if it's psychological what if you don't like the gifted deck then don't use it if you notice I don't use this deck um the reason I don't use this deck on stream is because it's full of
boobies um but it's beautiful uh but I don't I don't use this deck and even the rer weight deck which is the classical Tarot deck I noticed you drew bikinis oh what's that card what what what do we we're seeing some oh The Wheel of Fortune Wheel of Fortune I think it's a good sign for the
chat right I think our Fortune yeah yeah that's a beautiful card it's good it's good yeah um just a beautiful deck it's very artistic um but it's full of Fine Art nudity and so I can't use it on YouTube and yeah on my
so tarot cards typically have nudity so on my Decks that I used in the show I have actually drawn on all of them that are a little too risky let me show you an example
um there we go so she's got a little suit right there swimsuit that I drew on her and I love I saw your lovers card and they they're wearing like biker shorts and like a a little biker top and stuff like that so cute yeah I started having
fun with them uh you know so every single one I I try to change it up switch up the Styles depending on which deck and I use about I don't know what is there like 16 decks um so it's uh there's there's a lot here we go she's got a little bathing suit and he's got board Shir shorts it's like playing
Barbies that's very adorable yeah it's very Ador and it's also looks it looks like natural to the deck I mean you did a really good job of doing the little coverups there right yeah I I actually do draw I keep forgetting to bring my art down here everyone keeps want wanting to see but um I do uh Fine Art
and uh cartoons or I do um I do realism I'm pretty good with black and white realism um like charcoal and then um I I do full color but it's not like the best I think I'm better at the at
the gray scale um portraits but uh yeah and then I do like cartoons so like
this that well that is that well that's awesome oh my God that is so cool like do you have your own deck you're you're designing or you thinking about designing a deck because I'd love to have like to design a deck there is no way I would be able to draw my own deck
cuz um I'm G be honest like I don't draw that much anymore with everything I'm doing but if I could like collaborate with somebody to get a deck someone with like a tattoo style I would I would love that but um yeah I love I love portraits
I'm good at drawing them but I think my favorite art is like uh uh you know graffiti something dirty and and and pop cultur like like I went to the Andy Warhol Museum uh this summer uh I've actually seen his art in person before at a at a traveling exhibit um but I you
know he just that type of art where it's it's um just so of of this time and like and and pop and like I don't know the the printing you know I just I don't know I love it so I would like something like that something you know um that just kind of
pays homage to what I like and the circus because I really like the circus well you're not only an amazing artist and Tarot reader and also you're you're a great singer too I'd love to hear you sing something but I also say you're an amazing comedian and so where did you come up with your comedic training and and where
did this come from like this this great sense of humor this great timing this great all these and also your whole Persona you've created I really I really love all that um so my my family is pretty funny my dad was was really funny and like a rough Ru kind of way you know like a
mean but funny guy like he didn't talk a lot but when he said something he was hilarious and and my family just in general was always like giving each other a hard time and and nothing was too serious um but also when I was a kid my parents both worked out of the home and um I would get to go home for lunch
I would walk home from school and go to lunch and I would have free rain to watch ComEd Central and I used to watch absolutely fabulous you know the two women who are like always on drugs and they're like work for the fashion Miss it's like it's a it's an English comedy and um I would watch Kids in the Hall
which is a Canadian comedy and um so I would go home every day and watch those but also like I you know we always liked comedies and stuff so I did that and then I did some I did some standup like I said when I was when I was looking for something like when I started going to
the Wiccan stores I also went to um I went to some comedy um open mic nights and um I I tried making friends there but oh my God like you want to meet messed up people go hang out with a bunch of comedians like that's not even an
exaggeration like at all I thought oh it's an exaggeration like no talk about trauma like we're all traumatized so I think the more you've been traumatized probably the funnier you are because you just stop giving giving a like you just really do it it's just like um I should do a minute on kill Tony I
keep getting I keep hearing that but yeah so I did standup comedy I I did my routines um but I am not a plan things ahead kind of comedian and actually one of the best sets I did I was hanging out with The Comedians and they were like are you going to go live and I was
like I don't know I don't have anything prepared and then I was like well let me just think of something and then um I went ahead and uh just did a stand up like just off of a date and and that was like the one time I had people standing up as I got off stage and like clapping and uh I remember I dated I
went on a date with this one of the one of The Comedians and it was a horrible day but he did say to me he's like you're a natural comedian and um you know there's people in the club that that wish they had just an ounce of the talent you had and I he was being serious like I don't think it was like to get in my pants like it was real
because I think I had already told him it wasn't going to work out but um yeah and and then I had also heard like probably Midway through my life uh I remember clear as day I was talking with a friend and and I don't know she was saying nice things about me but one of the things that really stuck out was she was like you are one of the funniest
most hilarious people I've ever met in my life and I had never heard that before like I knew people like hanging out with me but that really rung true and I when things really started to hit the fan for me I was like what do I want to do in life and I was like I want to make people laugh um and so that is
number one what I want to do that's what I try to achieve every night on my show that's why my show is geared towards not just the tarot Community but anyone who who wants to laugh you don't have to believe in Tarot you don't have to believe in the Supernatural I know nothing about astrology my main thing is
to get people to laugh um I I can't deny the tarot anymore because uh boy do too many like crazy coincidences happen so I think I went from like atheist to agnostic some somewhere in the last few years
but I don't think you have to believe in Tarot to um to uh enjoy my show right and you you are so funny too like you are such a you know comedian like it it reminds me of elv but funnier like you know elv had
kind of corny corny jokes you have like actually funny jokes like really good timing totally improv I know you know and I know elvir is a big inspiration to you too to you but I think you're uh you're you're you know off of her Legacy you're even Rising higher and and I Love Your Wings by the way can you tell us
about your wings thank you um so the wings I got because um I had been doing the demon thing on um Tik Tok and then I got in a Playboy and I thought man it would be really cool if I could do a photo shoot and I was thinking a photo shoot with with Chris you know
um and have like just water coming down um just on on a demon and I've never done I've still never done this photo shoot which whatever so I ordered These Wings spe specifically I needed them to be demon wings not feather wings
and um waterproof so I wanted them to be like scales not feathers and I finally found these and I was like bye and I just clicked it and I didn't like check anything and then I noticed the shipping was like really expensive I was like whatever they're
the wings I want they're the wings I need by right and um you know a day or two goes by and I get a letter and the letter says Hi I know you ordered These Wings but I'm in the Ukraine right now and I don't know if you've heard but it's kind of a war
zone I should get the full letter and read it out loud one day but I I was like I was like oh and she goes I don't know if you want to cancel your order or if you still want me to send it and I was like well I want these wings and to be honest like I bet she needs the money way more than me and so I was like you
know what if they don't if they don't get here that's okay that's okay um I'll just uh I'll just be without my $400 but I'm sure she needs it more so I just you know I just waited and yeah they made it through war
and and it really made me think like she still had to work while like buildings are collapsing around her I'm sure like and I was just like oh my God like I can't even I didn't even think about that the fact that people still have to work even in the middle of War like you
know it seems so obvious but this also like not something you really like think of when you think of War like you know so yeah but they made it perfect and I've been wearing them ever since they are they are kind of heavy they're not like too
heavy um but I do wear them every night and so yeah they are a little heavy so what typically happens is I take them off and I I swing them on my chair and then people think that I have this cool
chair and they asked me where I bought my chair which I didn't realize the first time someone asked me that that they were looking at the wings I was like why do they want this like ordinary dining room chair like but yeah so that's what happens but they're good they're really good I I do
love the fact I love that there's a story behind them um I love that I just you know rolled the dice and and they've more than paid off you know so well also you have this really cool Beetlejuice desk and tell tell us about the Beetlejuice desk I think you found some
cards inside them if I remember yeah I found these cards so I went to this antique shop I really like um shopping at antique stores and thrift stores and stuff like that so I go to this
um like Furniture restoring place and like with odds and ends and stuff and it has nothing to do with tarot it's actually like quite the opposite like everything is like Christmas or Easter or you know like very religious actually and um I looked at this desk and I was
like oh my God this would be so cool for my tarot card reading um and I imagined it like this you know and and um I was like I don't know if I should get it I don't know you know I should just do with what I had but then like I turned around and this whole store that's like so
religious suddenly there's this deck right there and um I was just like oh my God like it's meant to be so I I I bought the desk and the deck and uh yeah I don't really I
don't use this deck I probably could now um yeah maybe not so much I I have a hard time um with Decks that don't have drawings for every single um every single what do you call it every single thing like like I like
the story to be told not just like a wand you know what I mean is that this deck right here is that the same deck or no it looks like it I think c i got this at a I got this at a store too and it looks like the same let the back it is it is same deck
yeah nice twinsies twinsies right nice yeah I used it for a little bit but I like them I'll just keep them intact I think I got rid of the Box though I do that a lot
hold on I'm sorry I'm going put you on solo layout yeah okay so can you tell us about oh your website you have this website pay withyour soul.com and that's a such a cool name and I love and traveling Gypsy tarot here but but pay worth your soul can you tell us about your website and also your um someone asked about your logo on the website the
beautifully drawn cartoon logo of yourself if you can tell the artist about that so the website is is my website I actually bought it um years before uh as there's a a thing called blasphemy
fetish and so so um anyway I used to do the phone sex hotlines and uh I would do voices for him and and one of the fetishes I dealt with was blasphemy and so what I was going to do was make that a redirect link um for my blasphemy fetish uh
people not that I have one but I I just you know basically I I did phone sex where I would roast people like that that was my job I would I was um paid good money to tell people they had small things and um just would be really mean and I did that for years and I I made
great money doing it um so I I had bought pay with your soul.com I was just like I don't know what what came to it like to me that day but I was just like you know what I'm just gonna gonna buy that and I meant to use it as blasphemy thing and I just never got to it so then when I started this and I got shut down
from Tik Tok I was like well actually when I was on Tik Tok I was I was changing everything on pay withyou soul.com um into this and they original demon story was supposed to be called the divorce demon Chronicles and I still like that name for it but I already
owned pay withyour soul.com I think it sounds really scary and om ominous when I tell people to go to pay withyour soul.com um and on it you can find all my links but you can also find merchandise now which is um what this is so you were
talking about the logo I created the logo and it is I don't know if you can see there's a moon there's an e for Emma and then this like almost pentagram which drips down into an L
which also represents an upside down cross so there's a lot going on in it but that is my logo for my show and yeah the merchandise is really good I I had some issues with merch and I think it's all been solved hopefully um yeah it's been in
here the you know so and it has a logo on the inside of it I think it's fleece in the inside it looks like a comfy hoodie you look really hot in it by the way but I want I want that hoodie I'm I'm gonna order this hoodie as soon as soon as I say up a few bucks I'm gonna I'm gonna be ordering that that hoodie that's that's an awesome design looks
like awesome and uh go to pay withyou soul.com by the way and you can check out all Emma's links including her her merch store because uh she has a really great merch and uh and everything is really cool and the well on my show so I don't know if we've talked about my show much on my show my character is a de a
demon who's divorced Satan and she is trying to take over as the new ruler of hell and um she wants to separate herself from from Satan and it's the story of Lilith but like in in a a funny updated uh kind of thing the demon
Lilith the demon Lilith was Adam's first wife and um she was uh everyone tries to say that she's good but I mean the the the part of Lilith that makes her more demon than Angel is that she eats she eats the um
the the human spawn the babies and um so that she can procreate demon all throughout the the world so she's she's you know not good right but that was part of her curse for leaving Adam I think that the Angels came and
said oh you'll give birth to like a thousand demons spawn a day and that kind of thing you know yeah yeah there's so many different myths about her because she's not really in the Bible and she's she's honestly probably made up like she's after the Bible um but there's there's so many different
myths about her but I think the biggest thing about the whole story of Lilith is a struggle for a woman to be independent in a world that demonizes women for
being independent right and and so you know Lilith is evil and Mar to Satan makes sense right but instead of being like this big bad scary demon she is like a full of herself Dy selfish money
hungry like d dingbat who just uh wants to basically prove herself I don't think she really wants to be divorced from Satan she just wants to show that she's independent and and she's due for it because she left
Adam to be independent or because she she insisted that she was independent but like now um you know in in my story now she's trying to leave the devil so that she can also prove that she could do just as good a job as any man right
so that that's that's what the story is um it's hard to portray that every episode I have over 300 episodes now that I've gone live they're like from 3 to seven hours long and you got to remember people come in and out in and out of the lives and they're always
going what is going on and I could write a description and nobody reads the description right um and by the way also at pay withyou soul.com I'm going to be making a blog to catch everyone up on everything that has happened because you know Emma's caught in purgatory and uh
she channels through an old lady Spirit that's Satan trapped in the house to be like special ops you know like to keep an eye on Emma and like there's so many things that have happened um so it's uh it's it's become quite the crazy
story and it's all on the the premise of you know Lilith goes to Satan and says I want a divorce and he tells her no and and Lilith doesn't want to admit that she's Lilith because she doesn't want the humans to like think badly of her she doesn't like when anyone thinks badly of
her so she say she's definitely not Lilith um and it's go back into your show a little bit like I know you so you you have you have a old lady Spirit around you that um that helps you out with the tarot card readings you like to channel through
tell us about Cheryl a little bit so Cheryl is um the character is based off of my grandom and you know my grandma was from Old Country and she really you know the the girls in my family it was like cook clean you know do this do that you have
to do this you're a woman you got to do that you got to do that and then to the boy she was like oh let me make you a pie you know like I I don't know just like the boys never had to do in my family and um she was an old religious
woman with a a mean Gruff you know that uh uh Eastern European accent you know survive this Soviet Union kind of thing like yelling at us she was not nice at all and the
closes I can compare her to is um if you've ever seen Malcolm in the Middle that Grandma that was that was so my grandma like she's chain smoking all the time you know making mean jokes towards everyone all the time just like a a total but like my grandma was
was nice too but I just like you know her her character was uh a lot of times you could you could get that out of her and so that in my mind is what I liken Cheryl too Cheryl is this old lady Spirit who smokes way too many
cigarettes and quotes bible quotes at Emma which Emma finds really offensive because she's a demon and so if you can imagine a old woman quoting Bible quotes at a demon how annoyed that demon would be but she's a a ghost who's stuck in
the house and sometimes Emma uses her demon powers to take her to Bingo but you know she uh otherwise just plays tarot with her to get her to do something other than annoy Emma you know it gives them something to do together and so and it also gives Emma a way to
make money to feed her meat suit and um you know we've had a we've had lots of lots of fun times you know I I banter off of Cheryl the majority of the night and then um you know sometimes Satan Pops in through the tarot cards and and you never know what's going to happen
like what what kind of craziness ensues because it is a mix of tarot I think I do the tarot justice but at the same time it is an improv comedy show that's like dark and it's supposed to be a cult classic it's not supposed to be a spiritual tarot reading kind of thing
it's supposed to be like different than than other shows because I am not a super spiritual person I'm not um you know I'm not new AG in any way uh I I don't even know why I'm here honestly but
it's it's it's I always wanted to be a writer I don't have a right now I have a my favorite coffee mug it says uh write your own story and I always wanted to be a writer my grandma at one point had bought me a typewriter um because I wasn't playing with the other kids and I was always like my head was always in books and
stuff and and um so she bought me this typewriter and I told her I was going to be a famous writer one day and so writing this and and exploding on Tik Tok you know it really feels like okay I'm I'm making my grandma proud and you know she has her own character even though I yell at her and I'm cranky with
her all the time you know it's not really my grandma but like you know I I I pay homage to my grandma with Cheryl and so you know that is is uh it's great to me it's it's great that I could tell this story um and I and I'm so appreciative of most of the terot
community for accepting me some some people are very mad but well I know you do have you do have um a largely male audience and how how awesome is that you're getting men into tarot you know men are men are usually the poker and men are usually like scoffing off tarot and then you you have
like 75% or more men in in your chat so and they're now they're interested in Tarot how awesome is that right it's cool it's cool because I I think that you know like I don't think there's a lot of advice out there for men as much as there used to be and at least it's not good advice you know what I mean
like like a lot of men get the the red pill advice or you know just nonsense um in this day and age and so um to have a full male audience and and you know I'm not perfect but I I guess I've I've made enough mistakes
I've I've got some good uh some good uh advice you know and and I you know I like I'm sure people love that I have Daddy Issues jokes but I actually had a really good dad and I had a really good mom and and they were together for you know over 20 years till death do uh part
they were absolutely in love with each other till the day you know um they were separated and and and beyond that and um I just feel like my dad was probably um one of the best men ever in my life um and that a lot of men would
be better off if they were more like him not saying that he didn't have his faults but that was what a real relationship in my eyes the perfect relationship would be and so that's where I speak from when I speak of relationships as well as my horrible dating life on my own I I think maybe
seeing such good Role Models has made it harder for me to date sometimes um but I uh I think that uh you know I I think that uh any advice and um
some interest in making my men's lives better like you know I I think I think it's it's a void that has to be filled with and and the fact that I'm not super religious and I am funny and I am sexy kind of helps out like I I don't I don't think it's bad like I think uh I'm doing
it I'm doing the world a service whether they want to believe it or not and and I see this and I see this and you are such an awesome person and I know we're coming up to the hour mark and I know you're really busy woman and you have your own show to do we can go longer I we can go a little longer I'm having fun yeah okay having fun here
guys guys uh yeah we have Emma levith in here like this awesome fun interview she's a great friend of mine she's awesome T reader comedian can you sing a little song for us can um let's hear you let's hear you sing a little bit if you don't mind all right um let me think not not X is the nose
cuz I don't want I don't I don't want you to get copyrighted all right um let me pull some lyrics up okay I didn't bring my other phone dang it hold on um let's do this one I do this one
because it's it's easy
or where are the lyrics and by the way by the way everyone go to pay withyour soul.com for all Emma's links make sure you subscribe to Emma Leviathan she's a very special guest a good friend of mine and uh and and we're so happy you're here and the chat's having a great time tonight the chat is being really active
and fun and and uh everyone loves you every that we have we had no trolls no nobody's been inappropriate or anything everyone's everyone's just showing love tonight so yes so w for the chat okay thanks
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one woo that was awesome and I know the chat loved it everyone's saying wow that's a that you are you are awesome multi-talented beautiful funny you got the whole you got the whole package Emma I think you have the whole package I think I think you're you're meant for this for this world you're meant for
YouTube you're you're uh every everyone's so happy you're here yeah everyone's in love we see we see the heart eyes yeah thank you yeah I I'm happy I was so accepted on YouTube I am too and I'm happy I'm upset accepted on YouTube YouTube too because
I didn't have a place I ever fit in and then I've been in here I've been in here too because I think we can all find our our soul family we can all find our true fans and then it's very interactive yeah everyone loved it everyone loved it that was awesome that's a perfect song choice I think too
and yeah you know and just some advice for your channel is like don't keep people around that are putting you in a bad mood because it's just not worth it like you don't have to be like this uh um I don't know if the word cator of
free speech like or like this town hall cuz it's not your sh show right um and I think especially for tarot you have to be in a good mood and you know having haters and bad people it's it's just not good and I've I've had so many people tell me oh you should just let the
trolls be Trolls but like if you're in a bad mood then it's not going to be a good show and and they're going to get to you and so why do you even want them there you know so um yeah definitely definitely do that uh you know and I I
think uh just just uh you know take take this blessing for what it is psyche and um you know uh you uh should you know keep working hard at it I I think I think this is really good
for you I I I I I see you online and I'm like firing him was one of the best decisions ever and I don't mean that in a mean way I mean it in a you got your together and you're you're you're doing something with this channel which is thank
you yeah and and also like I'm just GNA say you're such a hardworking woman like and you're so such a wonderful comedic mind such a wonderful business mind such a such such such a great arbitrator of people people your trolls turn into fans like um you're able to you're able you're doing
the Alchemy if you know about alchemy you're you're turning the negative to positive you're turning um negative people to fans and stuff like that and so you really in you're you're such an inspiration for me and even if I'm not a I'm never a mod or anything I'm just
happy to be your friend and you you just inspire me and I love you so much good good I'm glad no I I appreciate your support 100% um you know I I never felt like it was like bad blood although a lot of people did think it was that and
there was a a tarot reading that I did for you that someone thought it was between me and you and I was like no it's not it's not and it was so funny because it was it was proved that I was right but like you know I think people saw what went down and they just automatically thought like I was just like mad at you or something like that and I
was annoyed and I was like we can't have this but I was never like wishing uh bad upon you or any of that that like you know I know I know and also like you know it was like we were talking behind the scenes the whole time we were I was expressing my feelings you're expressing your feelings we just like we had it all
out and and at the end we're we we said hey we love each other we're friends no matter what if mod or not or whatever like modding is not important it's like it's a friendship that's important and you are always there for me you've always done from the heart tarot readings for me and I'd say anybody
wants a really awesome tarot reading you know best the best deal on YouTube I would say C she does how about how about I do I get a tarot reading yes you you you want okay I got it I got you I got my rer weight out yes let's get let's get
let's get a reading for Emma tonight let me just put on on a on exit solo okay yeah okay so Emma the first thing I got for you is strength so you have this huge strength about you right you have this you have this gentleness that's able to tame the the wild animals the the angry lion and
then you just you pet him like a kitty cat right and you're able to tame a beast right I love that about you and then we have this Ace of Pentacles it's this little see this little the hand from above handing you some handing you a coin handing you some money yeah reach out your hand it's a
it's a it's a it's a money shower it's a it's a a oh so many things you you can do that's gonna that's going to support you in the material world and oh we also have the lovers card I don't know if there's a lover in your future oh sorry not they're not close but yeah we have this lovers card for
you send to me so I can draw little pants on the paper dolls and I need some need some board shorts we need we need a bikini stat right yes okay but yeah guys I'm just gonna just I would I would hope to get some love you know but it might
be my love of of work you know coming to parition but but you know and it's like I don't you never told me your sign and I don't expect you ever tell me your sign but I I I I feel very heavy Moon energy around you you know I feel I feel some Moon energy around you I'm not sure if it's like one of the water signs I'm not sure you'll never tell me I'll never
I'll never find out but there's aing king of Cups there there's a king of cups with a a cup of Love wanting to offer you a cup of Love You Know You're Gonna choose the right yeah you're gonna choose the right one right okay and this king of C the king of cups is a good uh a good really in touch with his emotions and then oh we have this nine of
Pentacles is the nine of Pentacles you just have this Garden around you of all these Pentacles you're just growing this beautiful garden you have birds flying around you you have you have uh you have beautiful things happening I'll pull one card fabulous card I always pull her and more I'm like fabulous finally we have the Chariot and
so you're just moving forward you're just moving forward full speed head there's you on the in the driver's seat right there there's you knowing where you want to go what direction you want to go you have some some some beautiful sphinxes guiding you along the way you're so on your way and so Emma I would also if before we go I want I want
you to if you could pull a few cards for the chat a general reading for the chat that'd be really awesome yeah if you feel yeah yeah let me here um let's do it let's do it all
right guys you're in for a treat I'm mute myself I don't want gnomes you know I'm going to start with a major deck a major only deck your chat probably doesn't understand but I use a lot of decks um
and the reason I do that is because I do really long readings my readings are anywhere from 10 to 10 minutes to an hour depending on the chat in the reading and um you know because I'm also talking to the to the crowd um I have to remember what was in my mind
in between each card and and it just it just helps me and plus like there's so many cool so many cool decks I have so why not use them all anyway Let's uh uh oh there's that strength okay all right let's pull some cards for
sakes you've got community here in reverse the Hier in Reverse oh and the strength in Reverse I I think that this means that um there's a a push and pull with your community right now and so you're you're
you're cultivating your community and and the culture um because your site is still newer py site is newer um and and so what I what I feel is your your your chat is creating their own culture now and and that's something
that happens with every community um and and policing itself and and getting rid of what needs to be getting rid of um but keeping what needs to be kept and so it's it's a bit of a growing
stage read out the the yes yes Shaner yes I got more cards than you got a Pokemon connection yeah I know and I'm always buying more and I've got them on my wish list too if you feel like buy anym never have enough decks sometimes I
get Bor I'm like I need new images I need new
inspiration o H man Ace of Wands in Reverse what is going on with you
guys all right yeah it's it's it's more talking about trying to find order it's a bit at a standstill you've got the Ace of Wands um the actions what what is going to be happening what is expected of chat is still like trying to work its way
out yeah my my um readings are very long and I charge $2 and I only do three a night so that like I said it's not really a Tarot show as much as it's a comedy show so that is the difference between my the way I do
tarot versus many other channels that are just like here's my money I'm going to ask you one question if it's it's it's a fullon variety show so if you guys check out my show I would keep that in mind rather than just um thinking that it's it's just for tarot anyway we got the king of Pentacles here I feel
like that psych just looking at all of you helping him out he feels very very blessed but sometimes he feels like maybe his hands are tied and you guys just have to figure out the balance on your
own it's it's just the the getting through my my my readings are longer than an intervention oh my God and then you have the sun you need you need to find the clarity the big picture your thesis
statement of your show you know I I think more interviews like this would do you really good you're a good interviewer um and and I think there is definitely a void that needs to be filled for mainly just like tarot card
readers or or astrologers um not not all things like outside of that but maybe just interviewing different tarot card readers could I I mean that's just a suggestion but I I think that your show definitely needs more of a thesis statement um than just hanging out but
have a hangout Vibe not quite like Drew Barrymore don't get in everybody's personal space but yeah and I feel that too and and I feel that and I think your reading was right on from my chat you know it's like we're a little bit in chaos right now we're we're finding order out of the chaos right and it's like I'm bringing
different elements together we're doing an Alchemy but Emma I I got an animal card for you that I pulled for you oh okay I'll show you I'll show you and I hope you I hope you like this because you are you
are you are the goat oh no that means I'm the new ruler of hell yes you're the greatest of all time and uh you are such an awesome person such an awesome reader such an awesome allaround person it says symbolism Caprice Mischief sexuality and
fertility the goat sat was part of the goat and part man and represented um licentiousness mischief and Caprice the go is also the symbol of pan the wling god of the flocks fertility and nature pan was a Lusty deity whose emblem was the fallace when hunting was poor and the flocks declined the Greeks would
blame pan and beat his image with a with with squirrels squills a type of bulbous herb to Rel releas his reproductive energies pan was an early scapegoat so you've probably been blamed blamed you know just like Lilith is blamed for all the problems right but Lilith didn't start all the problems Lilith Lilith was actually trying to help and all she
wanted to do was be on top of Adam you know she was she was like I want to be on top and Adam was like no I want to be on top and it was a little argument right and and says Russian peasant folklore tells of a mischievous Forest Spirit the Lei who had go Hooves and horns as well as black F in a tail the Greek diasis was also frequently
represented in the image of a goat someone with the Dian character is considered frenzied Lawless or possessing orgiastic properties okay I mean I did get that lovers card so it sounds exciting I need a break
sometimes but but but the biggest thing I got goat is that you're the greatest of all time and you are you're my inspiration and you are so cool so awesome so generous and really but most important to me is a good heart and I know you have a good heart thank you got a good
heart too with me it with me for for for an hour and a half you know you have to have a good heart you have to have a sense of humor and uh guys guys Emma Leviathan she's amazing Emma levian is amazing can everyone write their Congressman or dear Donald Trump Emma
levian is amazing make her Secretary of State yeah that is another thing I've got going on on my um Discord um obviously join syes Discord but on my Discord um one of the things that I always say in my show I say you should
write a letter to someone very important and you say dear very important person you know you put their name right there and then and then you put Emma Leviathan is amazing and then you put your welcome and then you just sign your name right there you know and so I have a contest going on right
now that if you send me social proof on my Discord that you actually wrote someone sended them a tweet sended them an Instagram even just a letter if you put that social proof on there at the end of the month we're going to do raffle and you can you can you can do as many as you want every post that you do
every letter you write gets gets a raffle ticket and whoever uh whoever's name I draw out of the Hat basically uh gets a free reading so if you want a free reading get those letters written and yes my um my character believes that
if she gets on the Joe Rogan show that she will become the new new ruler of hell because you know if you go on Jill Rogan you obviously win right like so she's uh we're trying to get on the Joe Rogan show that's that's what I'm going for and AC is definitely in first place like she said AC AC's been writing the
letter I've been I've been writing letters too I I write it in Blood and I say Emma levian is amazing half her on your show immediately and I ride it in blood every night it's my my my little good night ual and uh yeah so I need the advertising though I need the advertising
yeah we we'll get it and chat chat please share Emily Von's link share pay with your soul go to her show and and say hi and chat and get a reading too I would say I've had like I said I had like 30 readings 20 readings 30 readings probably 30 readings and uh I know
you're getting kind of Bor with me sometimes you know I get a little bit too many but R done it I I feel like my readings are really accurate I didn't believe it it but I mean there's too much evidence to to kind of deny it but my readings are pretty accurate and they're they happen anywhere from like a
couple days to like two weeks I i' I've noticed two weeks is is uh where I typically hit it so because I've been giraffe hippopotamus a few times you know already you know and so it's like I'm definitely a giraff hippotamus you know and so you know you know you know when it you're hitting the same thing a
few times you know that's a message for you okay but I want to say Emma levian is the best she is such an awesome reader such an awesome person awesome heart Emma I want to have you back on the show can I have you back on the show and again absolutely absolutely I had a
lot of fun definitely and um someone's asking about the merchandise you can find my merchandise at pay withyou soul.com um and you'll also find hopefully soon show updates I I'll get those going and um yeah origin stories and uh all sorts
of good stuff and my links so definitely definitely uh check that out and and check out my show for sure for sure for sure and she has the best show and you can be there it's funnier than Alvar I swear I swear Alvar alv I loved Alvar when I was a kid and stuff like that and I always
like wanted to meet a woman like alvara and then I met Emma and then I was like I'm my life is complete now you know I love you're welcome thank you Emma Emma's awesome we're just wrapping up in the last three minutes but if anyone has a question the last three minutes speak now forever
hold your peace um I'm just just going to ask Emma a couple more questions I want to say Emma who's your biggest inspiration who's your who's your biggest your favorite your favorite just Shining Light if if you uh if you can think of that like like person in my life
or who's your biggest inspiration in your life who's the biggest inspiration to keep you my My Demons spawn I have a little one and do everything for my little one I want my little one to be proud of me and see that hard work pays off and so that's why I do what I do why
I work as hard as I work and also why I don't give back to people quickly all the time but I try what is my favorite bands um I listen to a wide range of Music except I do not listen to metal which people always find surprising it's it's like
Metal's like my least favorite music but um I like Modest Mouse uh a band called The Bouncing Souls I was a punk rock kid the lillingtons um and then I also like like shaky Graves uh the new one right now um I like Suburban anything that sound circusy I love Suburban I'm telling you
I love the circus like it's it's sick in the head how much I love the circus I play I urb song on your show you like that you like it you like him he's cool he's really cool yeah I love Suburban um and uh shaky Graves is a huge one he he's like a oneman band and
and he's awesome like Blu grish Rock so yeah those are my big ones but I think I think I think you uh you answered a lot of our questions tonight can you pull one more card for just a general car for the chat before we say goodbye because
we're at the minute 30 30 minutes and I want everyone to go to Emma Leviathan after the show just pull one more card if you can and uh we this Chad is a fan of this Chad loves Emma okay this the chat is totally into Emma okay just like by the
way in my show I want to clarify this um I do the card flipping method in Tarot because in my show that is Cheryl pulling out the cards um and I do feel that I am Clairvoyant because I do feel something as I'm I'm
pulling and when I really focus and when I do my readings I kind of let Cheryl take over from my my hand movements to what happens I mean like last night I didn't even know a card had flipped out and like it stuck to my elbow and came out at the like the craziest time time and so stuff like that happens all the
time so there is definitely a supernatural element to it I don't want to not add that because um you know obviously we gotta give credit where credits doe to my spirit so AC said one for me I'm drinking mango
I mean mango Rita and a strawberry Rita she said one peach Rita for me and yeah
thank you Emma also so much for for being my friend for coming on the show for being such an awesome person and thank you so much for just doing this reading too we I love you so much and the chat loves you too man that sun in Reverse came up again so you guys got some some uh some splaining to do
okay a symbol of fun Vitality positivity success life is difficult but not not everything is sadness the sun is powerful force that compels us forward through this time get it
together guys guys let's together guys we're in this together and we got CH The Chariot which is also in Reverse it's stagnant energy and so I think um it's it says the warrior drives at night under a crescent moon that Crescent Moon again no hands on the wheel he steers by
force of will I think that it's not going to be the mind power it's you you got to put in the the groundwork and one thing I learned um I've actually handed cards out for my show like I was traveling I just started handing out cards and telling people about my show
and and doing like all sorts of advertising so thinking outside the box having your crowd help you um you know really creating that Community is is really helpful for you so it with the charity card being in Reverse what I see
is that you actually do need to take the the reins and you do need to drive this into what you want it to be and there's that Emma Emma thank you so much for for for like being on my show being my first
major interview being my friend be my I hope the best for you I want you to to keep succeeding and keep excelling and know that just because one thing doesn't work it's because it wasn't meant for you and and they say that uh rejection is
protection and and so you know just keep moving forward no matter no matter what if you get knocked down just keep getting back up again and you'll do absolutely fine thank you so much Emma Emma can I I'm just gonna want to give you a big hug and just say thank you for thank you for being so awesome yeah big hug everyone in chat say thank you to
Emma Emma I know you're a really busy busy woman and you have your own hugely successful show to to to take care of but thank you for like being my friend and like helping me out too and uh I love you so much and you're so a and that was a really awesome interview and I want to have you back
soon absolutely thank you this was a lot of fun you're welcome all right you have a great night make sure you guys hit that like button too in fight my ego my goodness and go to pay with.com make sure and buy some merch I'm gonna buy that sweatshirt from you Emma I want I want that I want that flee please wer with the cool logo on it because you
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you you have a good one good night thank you big hugs bye good night Emma thank
you guys do we have the best time tonight hold on I'm going to go back to my my solo layout guys we have the best time tonight yeah Emma was such an awesome guest such an awesome guest what a nice
good-hearted awesome talented person how did I get so lucky it was fun I hope everyone had fun let's get magic up here magic wants to say hi guys hey D wo hey hey everybody I'm going to stay on for a little while long we're having we're
having a little after party right now but I want to say how lucky am I I I did I did a good job Acy thank you yeah D you have to watch watch that back from from the beginning I think it was a really good show and she's a really awesome person blade Thank You Hell Walker thank you pie thank you everyone's my mod basic in
the room now because everyone's my friend you know we love we I just love everybody here okay there's there's there's magic he's a little magic magic you like when I rub your head like that it was good thank you babo babo good night AC thank you and I'm gonna I'm going to show up at EMS
tonight too you're coming over here you're coming over my babe I hope I didn't get too too silly I hope I didn't say anything wrong but what an awesome person what a what a great guess she knew how to keep the show going she knew she knew what to say I'm
just a little Trio bite on the ocean floor but she was awesome it was a great one beo we had we had we had a good one watch it back but uh I know I know you got here kind of kind of late but yeah there's magic magic you're the sexiest cat you're a little sexy cat
she's off tonight okay well whenever she's on back yeah she might be on she'll probably be on tomorrow or the next night she's she she's a hardworking woman and uh she she's on a she's on a lot and so I want to say thank you so much to Emma for being on my show so much fun guys yeah purr here's little
purr you're a little Pur like Trix is a little Trix Trix is the one that watches me in the shower but but magic magic likes a cuddle with tricks under the covers I'm cool thank you but I'm cool but I just know cool people too and I want to help out everybody you're all my mods basically everyone's in the chat I
think is a mod I want everyone to subscribe to everybody I want everyone to be friends with everybody because I think I'm making a good happy Community she did really good readings like we're in we're sometimes we're in the reverse and sometimes we're thinking negative about ourselves we're thinking that we're not worthy we're thinking
that you know you all the all these negative things I think we're all awesome people we have so much potential I want every you're kissing me you're giving me a kiss okay he's he's on there giving me kiss but I think we're all we are all worthy you know how Wayne's World says you're worthy you're worthy right yeah her schedule's
different and uh I I'm sorry if I didn't get her schedule completely right I thought she might be on tonight but if she's not she'll be on in a late night show I want you to say hi and uh give some love David Lynch passed away he did he did scum yeah guys are we having fun guys I I have to go to the bathroom real quick just hang out there hang out there it's
okay if you go but I'll have to go to the bathroom real quick
okay guys come I'm back I'm I'm back wait wait guys I'm back I'm back don't don't leave yeah but guys I want to thank you also for being really respectful to Emma during during the chat can't stop the feeling deep inside your soul you like sing I like her singing too and she has sing the The House of the Rising Sun
Perfect song song choice for her Perfect song uh Perfect song for the chat guys in chat we're all going through negative things sometimes we're all going through some self-doubt remember we're all going to be we're all going to be okay okay and we all now we have friends now we
have support and Emma's your friend I'm your friend I can show you some other other tarot readers that will that will be your friends too like really from the bottom of their hearts they're just good people I love you AC thank you thank you guys also for for keeping the chat fun tonight for keeping the
chat going going I hope I asked the right questions but but she she said she said she'll come back because I have more questions and everything but we had a good uh a good chat you want to say hi magic I'm gonna end it at two hours tonight you're happy you're happy Magic Man two hours we're at an hour 40 minutes so we have 20 minutes to talk
it's a little bit after after party after show but then I just want to make sure you all subscribe to Emma Leviathan her her her websites on the screen get some merch you had a fun time P you she's a yeah D she knows improv you know elvar has some improv training Emma has some improv training and so she's she's
also as as well as being a great T reader she's funny just like you dwo dwo has natural improv training dwo is just a hilarious person too guys some Greek salad take some pictures for picture day yeah big tall I'm still waiting for I'm still waiting for your your underwear pictures on my Discord
okay I know yeah AC there was like there was a my microphone was not making some noises I have a cheap phone and stuff like that and she said it was annoying and stuff so I wanted to make it sure that it was a good chat for all yeah he's magic is here magic you're just purring you're purring and you want to give me a kiss but wasn't she cool guys though
wasn't wasn't she like totally awesome that was the perfect first first Superstar for my show right and I think I did a good job interviewing I think I asked good questions I want to make everyone happy I hope yeah we can't be too Pious right yeah uh oh because you know no one's
perfect right no one's perfect and so I like people that are perfectly imperfect right yeah I had some technical difficulties but I think the camera was good I think I was trying to do a good camera angle let me just make sure okay I was trying to do a good camera angle I was trying to get good sound so I muted myself the appropriate times AC you know
you're her top mod I think I know I know you are and you're really awesome I'm I'm I'm not a mod anymore I was fired but now I have my own channel so I can make all the Diddy jokes I want to hear and I'm not worri now now I can just be friends you would change famor money over friendship exactly you know it's like if you have a true friendship and then you're you have something some
other in mind that's not a true friendship right yeah p p guys I'm going to post the um I'm going to post the join link tonight if you want to join the join the party you want to chat I'm I'm in for another 45 minutes if you want to I'm
down but I I love Emma so much she's she's she's an awesome person like you know you wouldn't go on my show if you weren't an awesome person comfortable with all the comfortable with everything okay thank you big tall I want to see those underwear pictures right yeah I'm still waiting in my disc I haven't seen anything in my Discord about underwear
pictures I want to see this gorgeous guy in underw you keep talking about okay I'm going to post this comment anybody else is welcome up here tonight we're having a little after party I tried to I try to keep it um Keep It Fun yeah Michael can you come up Michael come up on on the stage I want I want to flirt with you for a few minutes Michael
you don't have to but yeah I I want to FL with you for a few minutes you don't have to yes yes yes it's so Michael I'll give you a reading right now I I promise I'll anyone a reading that anyone that comes up on my panel tonight will get a free reading yeah and Pi come on up um
Michael come on up AC when to come on up you don't feel up to it okay you don't feel up it's fine I understand so but pie pie feel feel better soon okay Pi is my little Robin to my Howard p is my little singing bird to my fox right it's okay it's okay okay D I'll wait I I'll
hang out you guys see the link okay I'll make sure I post the link but I hope everyone had a fun night tonight this is just a little little Emma lit and Afterparty on my chat she was such a great guest what a great person great guest okay there we
go what a fun night though guys too okay everyone's having
fun yeah that was it was fun it was fun
everyone loved it everyone did love
it yeah guys it's just here's how it goes on YouTube you meet your soul family you can be friends with your soul family and then you'll be up too Mike I want to see mic up here I want to see uh See de oceans you're Ed pitting the cowboy it's freezing there yeah you don't have to be seeing D you can just
be on the uh you can be on the uh you can be on the um with your mic with your camera off that's fine yeah it was fun it was guys I was all worried about it I was like I'm not going to ask the right questions it will be awkward no it was not it was not awkward one bit one bit okay it was not
it was not anything neg there's nothing negative about tonight it was just fun it was just joyful right so that's what I really like I really like good energy good people I hope every all the camera angles were okay I hope everything look good tonight I hope I asked the right questions but she'll be
back I know she'll be back we'll have another good chat because I I only asked half the questions I wanted to but um yeah I I look happy I am happy I'm happy because I really do have good friends are you let to post roleplay battles am stream okay yeah so p with the roleplay in her
chat you won necessarily to play back some people in the chat might play back with the role playay oh yeah thank you po thank you AC yeah I think Emma doesn't mind whatever goes on in her chat if you're role playing if you're a furry if you're whatever if you're a dinosaur she
doesn't care as long as you're present as long as you're participating right Michael you're you're coming up I want to talk to Michael tonight W stream yeah I think so too I think I uh I just I just have good I just have great friends you know yeah play back with other Chatters not just Emma just wor flooding a stream
yeah well her stream has a lot of weirdos on it and so I think if you're just like playing along with people and having a good time I don't think it'll be a problem ever P I think you you can role playay in our chat you can be unicorn we have a guest tonight let's say hi to De ocean de ocean how are you hey what's
up what's up wondering about that picture that's my the shaman life chose me picture so it's beautiful okay what's up Dean de oan I loved your show last night everyone subscribed to De deep oceans dwoo because she is an awesome awesome person awesome
um reader Clairvoyant um she plays in the astral realm good all around right well thank you yeah I can do all kinds of things speaking light language and just and I cross people over and
open and close portals and do all kinds of yeah strange things that shamanics do right I I kind of Vibe with the shaman too because I'm the other in in American society or in the world society I'm the other but in ancient cultures they always appreciated the other the other
would always show them some information show them some some light show them some love beyond what they can get in the normal normal Realms and everything and so I think you're absolutely a amazing astral realm
person and Amazing Earth person too well thank you I I I'm not I I got to tell you I'm not as Adept on Earth as I am in the uh in the etheric Realms but uh yeah I try to be pretty cool you know on Earth you can always get your foot stuck in the mud sometimes just like I do I always get my foot stuck in the mud I my
foot fell through a pothole the other day I'm a Capricorn Sun ascendant first house Aquarius Moon um Aquarius Moon and Mars in the in the first house too and so I have I'm part alien I'm part goat and so I'm a really
really sexy alien but you're an alien goat yeah he's the goat he's like the alien goat you guys guys almost like pan a little bit you know Pan the god pan yeah don't panic though he's he's going be
you know what my friend Paul actually oddly enough his name is Paul Christian but he has as one of his spiritual team he has pan so you know there are some people that get really wigged out when he calls in
pan but pan is because pan pan can be chaotic energy pan can be because it's everything and so it's everything in one pan is is mail energy is is like uh part of the Divine male uh
Paradigm archetype so he's um he he was considered one of the most powerful of the male uh Dees I mean he was the biggest male D at one time also he's a goat he's a goat and you know the
goat's greatest of all time goat yeah so uh and yes he does Panic cattle things Panic around him but he has a kind of an unusual effect but um yeah it it the people don't understand they're afraid of what they don't understand so
exactly I I know you get it I know I get it some people in the chat may look at look at pan a little bit more look at him from a perspective of he's everything he's everything on Earth he's everything in he look look it from the like just like a pan where you cook you cook some
food put all the food in eggs in the pan and stuff and so interesting that we have this cooking utensil called a pan right right Michael luimon says are you a medium can you can you say a little bit about your Clairvoyant Talent um um
Dio am I a mediator is asking she's a small medium and large Okay small medium and large I'm actually kind of a tall medium I'm about 58 but um I'm a little bit tall I guess I'm a medium I guess I'm a medium to large medium I don't know what the
heck anyway I'm an extra large medium there you go maybe that's what I am but uh what what can I say about my spirituality is well there's a lot of Native American back there although I rather call it indigenous people um is pretty heavily influenced by that and I
think that's really due to my background I mean uh although I didn't know my great-grandmother she was a Native American she was a Cherokee and uh there's a rather long story I'm writing about about her and my background but as
far as magical background yeah my father obviously uh he had some obvious magical talents and uh my mother unfortunately my mother got very very hyper religious so that was a kind
of rough but in her younger days uh I was taken to a miracle working Church you know a charismatic church where miracles happen and so that kind of opened me to the thought that Miracles could happen in fact my mother got
healed at one point um so it was like yeah Miracles could happen so when I was a kid uh unlike some little girls I wanted to be a superhero right so I didn't want to be a ballerina or anything I wanted to be a superhero of some kind because I just
love the superheroes I could relate to that and you know Science Fiction and Fantasy and that that was my world um so you know here I I grow up I try to be a normal person it doesn't work it doesn't work I end up a musician and a um and an
artist uh what instrument do you play by the way what instrument do you play um I play guitar and drums awesome I play the uh drums that you play by hand like the African drums and the like the Jim Bay and newx and
stuff like that and N you know the Indian drums and stuff but um summon did they summon the SC Sasquatch when you play the drums does the Sasquatch appear you know what they like it yes and they like all kinds of music yeah and I am yeah I am in touch with the Sasquatch
interestingly enough I didn't even know if I believed in Sasquatch for a long time I thought it was just like yeah they probably exist but you know I'm not sure what bearing it has on my life until they got in touch with me
uh it happened after I moved here out toward the uh out out in the country more and then they got in touch with me and they reminded me every time that they were around me when I was out in the forest they they put the images in my mind like I'm like what am I you know if I hadn't
heard these other programs talking about uh their experiences with Sasquatch I would maybe still never know that it was actually Sasquatch that was around me at the time because I'd sense something around me I would talk to it I would be out alone talking because if I was in the city talking to myself I might get
you know people would think something odd right it's really not that easy to be a medium sometimes because you don't always know that the person next to you isn't alive sometimes they look you know just like a normal human and then you look
again and they're gone uh I remember one time I had to admit I was a a medium because uh there was this girl I I was just in This Bar and Grill you know having my chicken wings and and a drink and um then it was music playing and it was loud and this girl comes up that I
know and there's this guy that's trying to get her attention and she's ignoring the heck out of him and I said well why don't you talk to this guy you know the guy is looking at me he says I don't know why she she won't pay attention to me she's we're good friends but she just
won't pay attention to me and he looked just like a normal guy and um so she you know she's just talking like she doesn't even see him I said you know this this guy he's he seems like a nice guy why aren't you talking to him and she gets a little pale and she says what
guy I said the guy that's standing right next to you and I described him and she said she got like really like okay now that's impossible is this some kind of a joke or something and I'm like no you can't see him and she says because he died about a
week ago she says I I don't get what's going on here and then he disappeared and I'm like oh man he's he's passed on and I told her I said yeah he's passed on but he said that he you know I could kind of hear
him in the back of my mind he said that he's been leaving you gifts and she goes the walnuts I said yeah it's some you know I described kind of what it looked like and she said yeah it's got to be the walnuts that you're talking about he used to always leave him for me to let me know that he was around and I'm like yeah he's gonna leave you
another present to let him she goes no this can't be happening because I'm an atheist and there isn't any after life I we just die that's it and I said uh I think maybe he's around to uh kind of persuade you otherwise you know and she's there no that's impossible I said well then how
did I know all that because I don't even know who he is I even I think I even said his name I said well then how would I know all that I don't know you that well right out of talking to you a couple of times at this place you know but he told me and she goes okay but I'm I'm not entirely sure and then a little
while later she I see her again she said when I got home that night I found a present in the middle of my in the middle of my kitchen table that I know I had cleaned off and there was nobody coming over and I she said but this is still impossible you know so she still
couldn't bend her mind to believe that she had been visited by her past on friend but most obviously it happened then I said to myself you know what girl all this time you've been a medium
and you didn't want to admit that because by some religious people you are an evil person if you're a medium that is considered necromancy by some and it's considered to be evil so some religious people will give you all kinds of trouble over
that so uh that's when I had to kind of find finally admit to myself yeah that's mediumship right there and come to think of it yeah there there's all kinds of other things that I I am a medium so you're obvious medium too it's it's where it's like I just knew for
meeting you you are in contact with these Spiritual Beings you are being talked to and it's like you know some so many people are just put down and say they're crazy and all that kind of thing or something well if you know if you show me a schizophrenic person whose whose guides are
accurate you know usually a real schizophrenic and we have a lot of schizophrenics in Kent here where I live uh a real schizophrenic is a they their their schizophrenia doesn't make a whole lot of sense uh you know it's not like something like um you know they get real
information from it too often although sometimes it is you know I have met people that have been diagnosed with schizophrenia who they are seeing the other side but they don't know that that's what they're seeing they have no framework with which to understand it that this is the other
side that they're seeing okay they're not seeing something that's here actually and that's what gets them into trouble Emma was already on guys someone asked but we have Michael coming up and Michael's a good friend of mine let's I say Michael tonight um
hey what's up Michael already yep she was on for over an hour and guys you can go back to this replay and watch Emma's interview it was awesome interview but I want to say hi to Mike because Mike is a really nice guy he's a really cool guy and uh thank
you I appreciate it hey um I'm also a medium as well um so I know the feeling so that's Whata means I got you know you know a little a little connection if you know what I mean so
but yeah I hear I hear voices all the time um I'm Not Crazy by the way but uh I know the feeling when uh people think that you're a bit crazy because you know you can listen to the undead and sounds weird but yeah it's not
necessar it's about receptive to these messages from the astral realm and they're all in the astral realm playing around having fun communicating with us all all times right so I think anybody's crazy hi well sometimes they like to they like
to joke around and it gets kind of annoying but you know yeah there sometimes they like to have fun because we're all we're so serious on this Earth plane and then they like to be have more sense of humor about things right and so we can always people that hear voices and things like that they're not crazy
they're hearing they're hearing actual voices and they're they're channeling and they're trying to help people on her right yep I agree 100% And um like uh for example like my dad passed away January 2 of this year and um I didn't hear from
him like expecting to hear from him like maybe you know maybe the day after he died but I didn't hear from him until like maybe two days ago so that was nice though was a nice little message so my my dad passed away in uh in April last
year and I just started having dreams about my dad like where he's he and he's now he's showing happy before I had dreams about him they were not very clear dreams but I had dreams in the past few days where he's like he's happy and things like that so I think it takes a few months well he probably wants you to
know that I mean you know they usually when they come back to see you come back they always come back yeah they they want you to know that they're happy that's almost always a message I end up having to tell people because you know they're sad and everything and missing their loved one and it's like they want
you to know they're happy honey uh because it's not bad I died and I returned uh I went I had my nde so I had my Shaman's death by the way if you're shamanic you do end up with getting R Shaman's death and this is interesting
because in the old days they would have these ceremonies that would be like a Shaman's death but today a lot of us uh we we die we actually have an mde happen to us that's outside of a ceremony and that's that's the death and then you find out hey there is something after
you die you know when your heart stop there yeah so um for sure you know if you have a message for Michael tonight I think Michael could use a message from his pass on father if you can if you hav a message at all actually I'm kind of on my downtime right now doing that if I
get a message I will I will tell you thank you but right now I'm kind of communting I have a message I have a message by the way hold on one second and this is like the two of Cups and this is like you're going to be meeting somebody that you have an equal
love with you can share your cups with Michael I don't know if it makes sense to you but there's somebody that you're going to be able to ex have an equal exchange with right there it's trying to say that there's somebody that is out there for you that's going to make you really happy you have an equal exchange there's an angel watching over the sun
is watching over you're you're creating cups I hope that makes sense okay I have a message for you too D wo and I do I have this three three of Pentacles here someone's watching you someone's seeing your progress they're they're watching you they see you up on the up on the step right there and they're watching
you and they're they're checking out your progress and things like that but you are progressing okay we have another guest in the chat tonight I want to bring the guest Michael let's Michael hold that that that is that is uh that is my friend
uh that my Michael already okay okay so I got out you all there but remember that your past un loves one past un loved ones are always watching out for you are always wanting you to be happy they they love you they're your ancestors they're your your father your
mother they're always there so never never doubt that you're not being watched over always remember you're you're being very loved right you know that that's thing that really amazes me is when I meet people and they're actually afraid of their own kin people that they love they're afraid of the you know the ghost and I'm like why would
you be afraid of them if they were one of your loved ones why would you do that oh they might be evil spirits claiming to be it's like you know what you know because I actually had somebody asked me that and it's like you know you can tell how do you tell when anybody's even you know how can you tell when the
person standing next to you is evil right I mean espe the spirit realm is in the spirit realm they have all this freedom to be in the spirit realm but they're coming back to you to give you a message and they because they love you because the love will always attract your loved one is coming back to talk to you they're they're just your
love they're the same person with a little bit more wisdom now because they're on the other side and going oh I you know they they have a little bit different viewpoint but there's still your they're almost exactly like they were in life except maybe with a little different point of view so I don't know why you're so
afraid of them you know why why you know this is just crazy to me and I think the problem is we've been trained out of some things that are pretty darn important I mean that's important to know right and we've been taught to be afraid of all that and yeah there are some things you should be careful of uh
but then again that's what your Shaman does is take care of that sort of thing but um yeah it's it's like don't be afraid of that other world it's so close it's around you all the time you're literally swimming in it your loved ones you're passed on are around you all the time all you have to do is think about
them I have a song about that in fact I have let's hear can we hear it okay this is without music though if I do it AC cappella hear it uh okay but I'll be doing it AC capella it won't be as good as if had fine you're
fine okay give me a minute I'm gonna have to sit up to do it because I'm lying down right now hang on don't don't mind thank you Michael thank you I hope I didn't offend Michael in anyway I'm sorry if I offend him Michael or I don't
want to like hog all the time if Michael want to say something no I don't think I think he was just touched in his heart and he feels that and it's a little bit emotional for people sometimes to deal with deal with a love back to you know but it always it always is but yeah
please do D thank you so much to you okay
do you see me can you hear me I am right here by your side I still love
you I didn't want to leave you but it's hard to be Deni
dare you believe that love can last forever even in the afterward and
believe that I will always love you and you will always be my girl did you know that when you talk about me every single word I
hear when you remember the times we had together you can be sure I am near do you
believe that love can last forever even in the after world that believe that I'll be right here
waiting you will always be my girl do you do you believe do you
believe Beyond Time beyond space there will always be a sa place when no one hurts and no one cries and no one SE
no one Li do you believe it please believe it believe believe believe in
me I will be right here waiting and you will always be my girl you know I like that so much too my my father passed away last year in April and Michael's father passed away yeah
than you that's beautiful and I think that uh our loved ones are always here with us our our loved ones love us yeah a round of applause for for D that was awesome but our loved ones are here with us they're watching over us they're they they want us to be happy basically that they and
they're they're going to they're not happy until we're happy and so they'll they coming back to the world make sure we're happy but they love us so much don't ever forget they're not they're never going to leave you they always will love you and they're always with us okay every word of that song is true
okay I wrote that song for Harry Houdini who made a pack with his wife that he was going to get in touch with her to let her know that there was life after death if he possibly could and the message was believe believe believe believe and so
that's that kind of led me to write that and I'm really feel it was divinely led to write that that that kind of almost wrote itself right I kind of wish I could have done it with music though because I know it can't be quite as good as when it if it has music yeah with the yeah with the
song in the background yeah but it still was beautiful though so oh thank you it's all about the message it's not about you you don't need I mean necessarily you don't need background music you know it's all about the words ultimately when I gave um when
I yeah I I think when I when it first came I couldn't for the first few times I tried to sing it I would break down in tears I couldn't sing it I had to wait I had to like get used to the energy because um the energy that was coming
through is really strong it is from the spirit world it's from the spirit world and yeah those messages are coming so strongly to D I know and we all appreciate that we we all we all love that I know Michael I know Michael appreciated that yeah of course we all
we we all have something in common which is uh actually a coincidence so nobody knows I like to keep the secret because people think I'm crazy when I start speaking you know about like like what we're talking about so I It won't always though it won't always be that way unless you unless you have the gift
understand so it's it makes it makes you seem like you're crazy but we're not so it is what it is yeah like I said I've met actual crazy people who people who are actually having trouble with reality and they're different it's a little different for them right age so you know
there you you have to kind of be sensitive to that but as a matter of fact you know I came to the conclusion a long time ago that probably everything that people have supposedly imagined that it probably exists in some
Dimension somewhere it exists in some version of reality uh somewhere and they're just kind of pulling that in from there I mean we've all had you know if you believe now I I'm not trying to like hurt your religious beliefs but we've
all had lots and lots and lots of lives as many different things and in many different places and times and and I'm sure that some of these are maybe all of them are coming from our own memories of places that
we've and where we where we have been yeah I I totally feel you trust me so so you know uh especially the Science Fiction and Fantasy yeah we're here we're finding out from people who you know many people who are communicating with the Star Brothers now finding out
yeah Star Wars is real that was real that was the uh Lyon Orion war and it only recently ended I know I know someone who's who's deep in Star Wars so and I mean you know Star Trek was like mine I my time is more like Star
Trek but uh you know my my uh world is more like Star Trek that I and and the interesting thing is Star Trek is a little bit more like cadians so um yeah a perspective kind of I have a blue skin right there I'm
I'm a PL pleadian I'm sure I'm pretty sure about it well plans kind of come in all colors but they're mostly they look like us mostly they look like really good they're in human they're in human form they're human human looking you see my skin is like really blue you see I'm a little bit blue yeah I do too you know
what that was the funniest thing is like when I go to if if I want to match my skin the best like my lip color and stuff it needs to have a little bit of blue in it because I'm really am Perry Winkle blue I saw myself outside of the construct outside of the Matrix here I
saw myself in my friends and my family for every now and then we're blue
so you know I mean isn't that wild I find out that actually it's my favorite color too it's actually my favorite color my favorite color is blue and orange but blue is my favorite color my main favorite color well I came in on a Blu-ray when I was born and that is another thing is
talking about the Rays um we came in on a ray as a special kind of energy as a particular kind of energy in the Spectrum so the blue rays were bringing in um we're Paving the way for the indigos and uh then when I died which is
really interesting when I died I died and at that time I died during the time of the indigos so it it was very interesting it's like so I came online during the time of the indigos before that I'd always had Gibbs and stuff I didn't really understand
them as much when I came back I just had all this stuff in my mind H because I'd been given a gift that had to unpack I met somebody on the other side when I had died and I didn't know who I I didn't even know who I had met I didn't even know who they were I just knew they were
this old old person in a cave turned out to be sa wife and she had given me something that I had to unpack gradually uh uh some information and but you know at first it was just really crazy what what was coming into my mind and stuff and the
pictures I was seeing and I didn't know what I was looking at and my friend who knew a little bit more said oh my gosh those are the Egyptian gods they're letting you know their symbols and all their I I said yeah I guess so and she goes oh my God how is it you do you she
she says this is a real gift this is a real activation I'm like I don't know what the heck it is though I can't even cut keep up with it so fast yeah you know what I hate to interrupt you but you remind me of like um the situation where um I forgot her name in the movie but uh you know the movie Ghost with w goldber and
yeah kind of remind me of like whoopy goldbert in that movie so I forgot her name iot her I forgot her actual act like actress name in that movie I well whoy Goldberg is her is her name but
but name in the movie well the medium there was that character boy I hate being remind people of whoopy Goldberg the way she is now I would hate that but the way she was the movie is not so
bad but well time time changes well you she she was an actress in that movie so Us in real life is different from well it is actually like that when when the uh Spirits find out that you see them and hear them it's like
everybody lines up and wants like oh my God help yeah yeah a lot of us kind of sat down for a while because it's just too much yeah that's why I drink that I mean I mean I'm not I'm an alic but I'm a functional alcoholic and um like I drink every day but I drink I
don't drink to get drunk I just drink to like you know keep calm because I get so many people talking to me at a certain time it kind of gets overwhelming so uh yeah when you get too much information coming into your brain at one time it gets overwhelming and if you're impath if you have too many
feelings coming at you that's another one is you can be empathic and have so many feelings that you can barely stand it and I used to think of it it it was a mixed blessing it was almost more of a curse at times because it makes you very un usual and different from other people yeah you get
used to it though socially that's not good generally but yeah you do get sometimes they can be they can they can say some stuff that you don't like but I mean now they know I need some personal time it's like dudes I need personal time when uh you know if you got
something real important to say I'm open to that but I need my own time too because otherwise I'd be walking around living somebody else's existence all my whole life which sometimes I kind of feel like I'm doing it the rest of this life you mean but yeah I get what you're
saying well a lot of channels are like that because I do channeling too and that is wild because you're kind of standing back watching yourself talk or watching them talk through you and you're kind of standing in the
background or sort of uh it's a very weird feeling to not you know that that that's very odd and when I do the light language I do that a lot the light language I'm kind of standing back and just listening to myself rattle off this these words that
are very quickly you know very quick and much faster than I can talk I mean you know and I'm going what what it's like it's like going 100 words per second it's like it get it gets sometimes it can get overwhelming so yeah it is and they tell me that it's
actually the Rhythm and the frequency of the words not really the words themselves because people said can you translate that and they're trying to translate it by the word and you can't really translate it that well that way what what you need to do is try and feel it you can feel the
vibration of it and you'll kind of get images feelings pictures whatever in your mind uh from it you know or just knowing but trying to translate all the individual words it's like good luck it comes so fast how you even gonna hear them I don't even know how I how I do
that but um it's not it's not you it's th that's that's the thing it's yeah it it comes to you it's it's not like you're seeking it's not like you're seeking out somebody they just comes to you so yeah I let him because
sometimes I ask him though I say can you give us something for this situation and uh they will you know and and um most of the time it's my own I know that they're all fractals of me I mean we're our souls are really big
okay and it's hard to explain to people but our souls are really big and I believe in Soul I believe in Souls but um Soul groups when they talk about Spirit when they talk about Spirit coming around and stuff there like for example right
now I'm getting uh I'm hearing something I I can't they're like mumbling I can't hear but um anyways wow that was okay uh sorry um but they were um like usually uh people believe in spirit like ghost and stuff like that
there's no ghost it's it's um when a person leaves their body it's their soul that leaves and we call it Soul because that's the only way we can resemble it as a human as words a soul I wouldn't call it soul I don't know how to name it but yeah it's actually your being is
just yeah body is like okay please understand it's a rental your body's an avatar your body's like an avatar in a game okay it's like you go in like if you ever played any of these games where you got an avatar you got a body right
in the game that's what it's like it's just but you're actually running the Avatar okay so we're actually these huge Galactic beings running an avatar in here for whatever reason you know and we have many
reasons so you are a huge powerful being on the other side of this running an avatar uh in any physical Dimension until you get to the non-physical Dimensions where you don't even have an the need of an avatar okay but by the
time you get that to that frequency it becomes harder and harder to come down to the lower frequencies uh and more painful in our case because our our particular uh one on in this realm is kind of painful right now but that's getting cleared up that's going to get cleared up we are in
the midst of clearing all this up yeah but that that that's just that's just that's that's just human that's all it is yeah when when we pass away when we pass away okay um we're not going to remember well we will remember but we're not going to you know like right now our problems right
now as a in a human form is our problems now but when you think about when you pass away all your problems go away so to think about it that way that's why that's that's why I try and live stress free you know your Earthly stuff goes away um your lessons hopefully
thank you for coming back I appreciate it you know whatever you learn comes with you whatever you learn from being here guys and all it's about right now is like learning about each other learning about the other side learning about life but if you have friends in the Earthly realm then that helps a lot if you have true friends if you have
people that are listening to you if you have people that are giving you good information we're really blessed right now because we can we can talk about these things right yeah yeah yeah we can talk about these things without getting burned at the Stak in most countries but still there's some countries where you
will you will be killed for this kind of information y there are countries that'll do that they'll still do it there's still societies that will take you out for having this skill yeah careful back in the day back in the day like way back in the day like
1700 1600s 1500s maybe even 1700s um they used to call him a witch to like like hang them or even um what's her name
God J I may stand WR she got burned alive hearing voices yeah yeah right well there's some countries where they will Stone you to death for this kind of if you can't you can't even say
you don't even dare so you know because they're so afraid and usually they are some of the most uh uh unfortunate countries really I mean as far as uh as far as how the people live well God bless God Bless the USA
that's all I say yeah we can be who we are without without all that and yet there are people who are right here in town who uh you
know that have have have all kinds of opinions about what what you know these psychic people even though the the people in their Bible uh were had you know all kinds of psychic experiences and Bible is loaded with mysticism actually had one of them
come try to say these mystery religions I I just heard something about all these mystery Rel you know because they were on this thing about you know they were going down this road of all these evil mystery religions I said oh you oh you know some about the mystery were you
learning about the mystery religions and I said so it's like behold I show you a mystery and she just looks at me because Jesus said that mystery and it's like all mystery religions all of them because they're all mysterious and full
of mystery yeah Jes Jesus also said don't cast the first stone Jesus also said you can get to me to the father Jesus also said um turn Chic Jesus had a really great teachings and but his name wasn't Jesus and that's the other thing is when the
Bible is a whole and un blah blah blah blah and I'm like look dudes his name wouldn't even be Jesus because no Hebrew person is going to name their kid after Zeus right they just look at me like what yeah translates to hail Zeus Ze the
son of God the Son of God to them was the son of Zeus because Zeus was their God because that's who was translating it so they called him Jesus okay Jesus is still the way they say it you know in in Spanish countries so his name wouldn't have been Jesus but if you want to call him that I'm sure he knows who you're talking
about right it'ses right and but his name is actually really was Yeshua Yeshua was theet that the Jewish people have a record of they don't have a record of anybody named Jesus but they do have a record of someone named Yeshua
Yesa who did all the same things and had a wife named Miriam because he was a rabbi who is a teacher and jesusi supposedly wasn't Miriam supposedly supposed to be like a prostitute or something like that may she was confed with a prostitute
another Miriam and you got to understand Miriam the name Miriam was like Britney okay there go how many britne do you know okay so she wased like that because they did not want him to be married for some reason they did not want to share the spotlight with the female element at
all with the female side of nature at all which is very unbalanced but um quite obviously you do not get you you get life from male and female you do not get life from any other configuration so obviously there had to
be a divine feminine component and uh yes they were married and yes he had a wife and yes every Rabbi had a wife that was just the way it was and you know um wait I don't I don't mean to interrupt but Jesus Christ never had um well um what's his name his
actual name is Yeshua but um yes Yeshua yes he never had a wife though um yeah my understanding well the Jesus Cara you think about it go ahead I'm sorry I don't me to interrupt you go
ahead no that's okay go ahead what was your what was your statement well I was I was going to say that um that yosua didn't at least as far as my understanding I mean you can correct me if if you want but um yosua didn't have um a wife he had a
mistress or something like that so that what people are contemplating about Sin and evil or like sin and good like sinning and stuff like that because supposedly supposedly um he picked up a prostitute and and uh made him made her good woman you
know what I mean like like straighten her out it's a story it's not really in there yeah I know but I read the Bible the Bible the Bible's the Bible is hand well not handwritten well it was at one point but um it's been Rewritten and
Rewritten by man so we don't know like how right it's been translated and translated and because it was translated by Greeks into Greek for a while some of the writings you got to remember the Bible wasn't a whole book you know all of a sudden a whole book they took the Bible from a whole bunch of different
religious writings okay and they got them from all kinds of places I mean they were just trying to compile them into some kind of a u some kind of a a get them all together so that they could refer to them but they only accepted that was at the Council of
nce and they only accepted the ones that agreed with them so they left quite a bit out so you've got the uh you've got a all these different versions of the Bible but no Jesus uh had did not marry a prostitute nor was he
unmarried the character of Jesus okay let's put them two different people the character of Jesus that they try to tell you okay that they try to give you this character of Jesus who is just a character by the way it doesn't even really exist but okay he was supposedly
unmarried and you know from a virgin and so on and so on from a ra from a virgin yeah right the Virgin Mary that's what the Catholics believe yeah Yeshua on the other hand is an actual
recorded real person born to the Hebrew people who was a rabbi did Miracles and was married to Miriam who was I mean and they were Asin that was an ancient you know
uh that was an ancient sector of of the ancient Hebrews but yeah the um the there is then there is the character of Jesus that the church just took and twisted to their own ends well I have a question I have a question for you finish what you're to say and after words I have a question
for you so but finish what you're gonna say I hate to interrupt you but I just want let you know that I have a question so yeah Ma I you're breaking up because off and on you guys kind of break up over there I can't we oh Sor yeah I had that yesterday can you hear
me kind of H you like popping and coming in and out but just ask again and I'll try and hear you okay um I may have to change my part of my Bluetooth just dying um I was gonna ask you um
so how do you feel like so like supposedly Jesus Christ or Joshua um was um born from a person that never had sex which is a Virgin Mary how would that be possible how would that be
possible if no but I'm I'm just trying to like I'm try to put wait wa wa wait let me finish let me finish first let me at least finish let me at least finish sense okay okay how would how would the Virgin Mary okay she's a
virgin never had said how would she get pregnant supposedly and I'm not I'm not dis disag grading any Catholic religion or or Christian religion or anything but how would a person a woman get pregnant without having intercourse now they say that she got
pregnant by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit brought uh to her in her womb or you know technically speaking scientifically speaking her uterus um how would that be possible see there's sometimes there's in life
there's some things that are not explainable unless you know how it is because there is there is Spirits out there like well not Spirits Souls out there that can
actually you know do what they did back in BC before Christ so I mean it's just it some people don't understand but at the same time I kind of understand people's perspective about that because they're like how's that
even possible there's no way that there is a person that died for our sins that was born with you know like so nobody can just get scientifically nobody just can just have a baby and not have sex you know what I mean so I just want your opinion on that that's what I'm saying
so well yeah that's what I kind of figured you were asking because uh you know that's probably what everybody's wondering right and then they say it was one of the mysteries of God spirituality God can do anything right that's I consider Miracle but yeah so yeah it's a
just a miracle it's a Immaculate Conception but there are many theories about how that happen and I really am triggering ver verre okay sorry verre did not want you
to trigger you and I feel like maybe I should Reserve this for my own channel because because um I don't want to kind of SC up uh chat here however in my own opinion I've been studying this for over 50
years okay I've been studying all this stuff for over you got you got more wisdom than I do I'm only I'm about to turn 36 on the 27th so you got more wisdom than I do so uh when I was a kid I decided I had to know I I had to oh my you know
it's like I was seeing Miracles we were in a miracle church I had to know I had to know this stuff that was in my mind so you know I I started studying it and I did read the Bible at a very early age I learned to read but before that was before I
ended up in Sunday school and and they told me what was in the Bible but before that read the Bible and to me I read an entirely different book than they did I the way I was looking I was going oh wow you know and I I don't know if it's really safe for
me even here in this in this chat to go into the way that I saw it when I was when I read it when I was a kid D you're safe here this is a safe place by the way okay well you know please don't take it wrong and verr is saying everything that we say everything that we
say everything that we say me me and you psych whoever anyone okay unless you have the unless you have the gift you don't understand and we we're not trying to make you understand just make make it make make God I don't know how to say it without being offensive it's okay
however you understand it it doesn't matter because as long as you understand what he was trying going into all of this stuff about it what was he trying to teach you this is the important thing how people worship the messenger and ignore the freaking
message yeah pay attention to the message does it matter they are all these opinions on how it happened okay yeah and yeah I have some very I have some very learned opinions
however however is that as important as what he was trying to teach he was a teacher this guy ma ma'am sir whatever you believe the sayings of this person the teachings of this person that's what's
important and all this other stuff that people put so much emphasis on is not the most important thing about this person the most important thing is they wanted us to know that we should love each other that we should love each other as we love ourselves the problem
is most of us don't love ourselves that that we know that we have a Divine family that we are part of a Divine family we're not just here alone on the Earth by ourselves we're part of a Divine family that there is a bigger picture out there not there is a bigger
picture not just here that healing can happen that Miracles can happen that uh with the right frame of mind you can walk on water with you know that is what this person wanted us to know was trying to teach and why don't people focus just focus on that that you can all do and
what was the big thing what was the big thing you can all you will all I'll do this and even more than I can do and that is the empowering part that everybody wants to leave out because if you're too empowered then they cannot control
you but that is the truth the truth is this person is trying to say you can do everything that I can do with the right frame frame of mind you could honestly you could you do anything you put your mind to you just got to believe in it you know I mean so well you get to a certain frequency and
this is what we call an ascended Master you see the ascended masters can do this stuff because they've gotten to such a frequency level that the physical is malleable to them that they do not 100% AG have to go by the same rules that we go by because
we've been kind of Trapped into these rules in our good when they raise in frequency to a certain level they become masters of the elements the elements are no longer uh trapping them their mind is no longer trapping them and you know that's
one of the things that I think people don't realize is that your brain is receiving electrical signal NOS you've never seen or touched anything in your life but your brain has told you you have this is scientific though you've never seen or touched anything your brain has told you what's out there you don't
really know but there is another organ called your pineal gland which can tell you what's out there what it's actually within you though it's actually there the thing the thing that I noticed as I've gotten older is that um television and what you hear on the
radio and stuff like that will man at you to think in a certain way absolutely yeah so that's why people video about that yeah I well that's a coincidence I'm saying it and you posted a video about it um how I know that yeah that's how I
know that that you're real so only I knew one of the guys actually you could you could feel you could feel like I could feel your presence so I was like oh cool yeah um right now like I said I'm this is just before my bedtime and I'm
winding down so go to sleep I'm not doing messages I'm not doing I'm I'm here as a friend I'm here to discuss stuff with you I'm here as a friend I'm not on the clock working right now okay but if I get any messages that are like hot messages that you got to know I will
certainly tell you but and whoever Michael okay if you're the Michael I saw what I saw when you asked I did see something I saw something that looked kind of like a cartoon rocket
ship going up and flying and to me that kind of means that you are in your own way on the Ascension path I am yes I'm single and I'm free so I know what you're
talking about yeah single because it's just easier I didn't come here this time to have kids in a normal family I was married for a while came on here just pych it happened to uh end up a new friend so hopefully
we'll talk soon again so yes so you're on the Ascension path keep going as what mute guys we had a great night I'm just going to mute myself for the rest of the rest of the show we're on the last few minutes just talk to each other about whatever you want to and I love you guys so much and thank you for being on the
show and and and you guys are awesome okay I love you just talk for a couple more minutes okay let's just finish the convers pretty much you say finish conversation he's saying goodbye okay can you hear my cat telling me that he
wants me to come to bed and cuddle him yeah it's about time for sleep so okay I think the more important thing my whole point of view is what I'm trying to teach people is the principles the principles that are going to help them Ascend
okay and gain their own Super what seems to be superpowers but are really part of the part of our heritage part of what our Birthright as human beings are these abilities and this is exactly what that person whatever you think they were but
the message of that person is you can do everything that I'm doing and more and this is what I'm trying to help people get to I'm trying to get to that point myself I can do many unusual and incredible things I know I'm not to that point you are
you're awesome Michael's awesome D take take a night to each other we're wrapping up the show but thank you so much for being here I'll just myself thank you thanks for having me on bye everybody good night good night guys thank you we had a great show good night
to you woo big hug okay good night you too love I love you sweetheart I love you I'll see you later okay good night guys the show Good night
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